Too Many Accidents Id read that for TMP, they got NASA to help in the design of the refit Enterprise. Look a fanboy. NO, SIG has a problem that they would rather fight in court. Everyone knows Glocks are the absolute pinnacle of perfection and have never had one single defect ever! Sig Sauer P320 (Christine Peterson/TNS) February 22, 2021 Ryan Morgan Gunmaker Sig Sauer is facing a new lawsuit from a U.S. federal agent who claims his holstered P320 pistol discharged without him pulling the trigger and struck him in his upper right hip. how do I get one for my P320? I would rather play handball with the Devil himself because if you deal with the Devil he will tell you that you agreed to lose your soul for a big box full of millions in cash. Really, that JJA ship looks like something the folks at PlaySkool built, its terrible. LOL! Asked if the guns in these cases could have been mishandled, Villani responds, When I see videos of police officers getting out of their car and their weapon discharges in their holsters, nah, theres a problem with the gun. ABC then ran bodycam footage of a pre-upgrade P320 firing as a Michigan state trooper exited his patrol car in 2016 with no mention of the results of any subsequent investigation. Theres just too much other paraphernalia bouncing around in there. On Thursday, M.D. Sigs are crap! It nicely describes what has to happen in a striker-fired P320 for an un-commanded discharge to happen as the plaintiffs have claimed. Well I jumped in bed with ma and pa , told them that the devil was in Arkansas. Bagnell also represented Virginia Sheriffs Deputy Marcie Vadnais who sued SIG when she said her P320 went off on its own when she was removing the weapon from her belt. Vadnais was featured in the Nightline version of ABCs report. But when you set a gun down on a table, and the damn thing goes off seconds after you let go, that sounds like a defective gun. It upgraded its P320 pistols in October 2018, before the middle school incident, spokeswoman Amanda. Sig P320 Accidental Discharge Problem | SIG Talk So I think it is unconscionable, given the number of incidents of this gun defectively discharging without a trigger pull, would necessitate that someone order it to be recalled and only SIG can do that.. who sells them? It seems safe to assume that while SIG is coming up fast on the outside, GLOCK is still most likely the reigning champ in terms of the firearms most often carried by law enforcement and other government agencies. And they think hey have an actual legit lawsuit on their hands? My gun just went off! Fundamentally, the bits that the ambulance chaser claims are flawed function exactly the same way as a S&W M&P. Im a Kirk guy, a Shatner Kirk guy. Bagnells and other lawsuits ABC claims at least 54 discharges and 10 suits against SIG describe instances of P320s going off dating back to 2016, prior to the upgrade. They both underwent full testing but while the Sig was the cheaper handgun ($1.50), it also quoted higher costs for magazines and spare parts, boosting the overall cost of the acquisition. While this incident occurred months ago, this erroneous media report is driven by multiple sources, including our competitors, and coincides with the imminent release of other Canadian military and law enforcement tenders, indicating the timing of its release is an attempt to improperly influence the procurements, the statement said. And many departments across the country have had to lower their standards for passing qualifications just to be able to hire on and keep officers. I still own them all. Ill go so far as to say the first batch of Sig P320s did nothing wrong. Post again when you buy a real gun that you can defend yourself with. The latest of these suits was filed last week in US District Court in Massachusetts. This subject has two prongs; One is the negligence of those who have shot themselves with 320s through violations of Rule 2, the other the possible mechanical design failing of the gun. Whether or not the suits have merit. NEWINGTON - A Hillsboro man is suing Newington gunmaker Sig Sauer alleging his Sig P320 pistol fired, without him pulling the trigger, causing a bullet to be discharged into his thigh. Second, your claim that the military is dumping because theyre problematic? I lost $200 on a gun that had less then 1000 rounds through it but I could care. Cars have so many electronics these days, who knows what could have gone wrong! He wanted to see how accurate the gun was, especially after the customer got it back after the voluntary upgrade. You couldnt ask questions. 3 disaster is true and if it is Sig will go all out to cover it up if it was. Second, pardon us if were more than a little skeptical that the P320 in question or any other handgun fired when it was out of battery. . Covid ruined that gravy train for him but hes still doing the conventions. Dude, your story is THREE years old. And the fact they used real models, and big ones, gives the ships a real sense of heft, mass, movement and solidity that the garbage CGI ships of the new movies just cannot remotely compete with. And it doesnt take too much Googling to find plenty of reports of LEOs suing the Georgia company as well (see here, here, here, and here for just a few). Right up front, the use of an ill-fitting/improper-for-the-gun holster instantly negates any idea of an unintended discharge being the fault of the design. Who function tests their firearm 1) with a round in the chamber, and 2) when its pointed at an extremity? Alec Baldwin fatally shoots cinematographer, injures director on set of It did not originally have this. They didnt have to, but did. Glock's and Sig P320 are all designated as Double-Action-Only fire control mechanisms. Sig P320 Accidental Discharge Problem - Topic The incidents occur outside the forbidden zone, as we disarm before we enter so we stay in assiduous compliance with their nonsensical requirement. Milwaukee Police Report Issues With Sig P320's Discharging Picard if Im limited to NCC-1701. Having it as the ONLY trigger pull the weapon has seems (to me) clearly dangerous. The new guy sucks. So your fanboy perjorative falls not only flat but false. abprototype.com can add the manual safety as well as add the notches in the grip frame. While good firearms training and practices among law enforcement officers is certainly the case much of the time, weve seen far too many instances over the years of un-safe or downright dangerous practices by allegedly highly trained individuals to apply that kind of blanket endorsement to all cops or alphabet agency employees. The problem is non-existent. Sig Sauer Refuses to Recall Its P320 Handgun - The Stoddard Firm Did a Sig Sauer P320 Fire On Its Own? A Police Officer - 19FortyFive Slowly people are realizing they arent the only ones having issues. In 1982 the G17 hit the market and in 1983 they gave 30,000 pistols to the Austrian military at cost. 3. Their visceral hatred for that which they see as competition to their little golden calf god and their blind, myopic, childish self-identification with an external dynamic is hilarious! Pistol misfire that injured soldier was an unpredictable accident - CBC (The defect couldnt be duplicated after the crash.). Stupid marine, cop, citizen, its their fault. Good job! But that's not working in the P320, he said. Personally they should have gone with the Glock, its not for me but is a proven gun. Canadian Special Forces Command has not said what caused the gun to go off unexpectedly, but the company said a conclusion has been reached. I love when people call law enforcement officers highly trained. Most dont get more training than what they had in the academy unless they are getting paid time to train, or are going for something speciality such as S.W.A.T. Withe the P320 Sigs contract was $169.5 million, $103 million cheaper then Glock. I also have a manual safety. As to prong 2, there is a considerable difference between the mechanism of a 320 and, say, ones basic Glock, in that a 320 is fully cocked, whereas a Glock is half-cocked until the trigger is fully depressed, with the striker remaining locked by the striker safety plunger until that is released by a cam on the trigger bar. Neither argument is relevant or very intelligent and certainly not useful. The federal government intends to order up to 20,000 pistols for the military to replace its Second World War-era Browning Hi-Power handguns in a project that could be worth up to $50 million. Misfires and Lawsuits Plague Sig Sauer P320 Sig Sauer to Settle Lawsuit Over Alleged Safety Glitch in P320 Pistol Give me a break. Fact is most SF carry what they want and the Marine Recon I know very well who has friends in that community told me many in the Navy NSW program still carry the Mk 25, they don want a striker fired pistol that can hydrolock in water. If you want to find the lowest form of life on the planet interview any C.E.O. In a world of "innovative" guns, this truly is an innovated design and a step in the right direction for the future of pistols. He said there has to be something wrong with the gun if this is happening to individuals with this amount of training, this amount of skill.. Note the addition of ominous background music in the second seven-minutes-longer version (there was no music in the Good Morning America version). Its hard to say yet but with anything follow the basic safety rules. 01:10. LEO handguns get into struggles, they get laid and rolled on, they get smacked into vehicles/doorways, they get dropped, they get drawn and holstered way more often than their civilian counterparts. . To make the striker leg pull off of the sear, you would have to impart a lot of rearward momentum and stop it suddenly. Seems a bit apologetic to me. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dea-agent-lee-paige-still-wont-go-away/. Third, Glock has had problems, too. A fine of up to $10,000. Then either the gun somehow managed to magically clear both the broken tab and foreign body to continue to operate. there is no better. Quite frankly, a sizable number of the LEOs that go there, would benefit from a Gun Safety 101 class. In the case of the 320, lightning is striking the same place an awful lot. 3. Dont quote the four rules of safety in your article when all the hotness in the gun world is appendix carry pointing something at an extremity and the photos you use showing front slide serrationsputting your hands fingers near the business end of the barrel, because press checks from the front is the way all the cool operator guys do it. It takes time for any new platform to work the kinks out. Second, every gun maker has made lemons in the past. Grow up, you aint all that! After all, there are limits on complying with Rule 2 and even Rule 3, because a gun muzzle is ALWAYS covering something, somewhere, and ALWAYS knowing what lies beyondperhaps FAR beyonda possible target is an impossibility. And yes, if I pulled some of those stunts, Id have my membership revoked. Glocks biggest problem is they havent innovated since 1985. That being the case, the 320 is a cocked and locked striker-fired gun; However, it only has two safeties, unlike, say, a 1911, which has four: An inertial firing pin, a positive firing-pin locking safety, a manual sear-locking/blocking safety, and a trigger-bar-blocking grip safety. But just the same- a gun going off from momentum? brakes, remember? Happy with my old S&W revolvers, 3rd Gen S&W pistols,1911s and a slew of P226s. After watching a friend get killed by a Remington 700 by another friend and the ensuing fallout 31 years ago I decided that I didnt care if the P320 was fixed, it was getting sold. Thats the American system at work in all its corrupt majesty. Its a novelty, its got issues! I can say one thing for sure, the X on the side of the my is about is welcoming to me as grip zone was. Sig Sauer Inc. has agreed to settle a class-action lawsuit over its P320 pistol, on which the Army 's Modular Handgun System is based. The second version emphasized the upgrade to fix the drop safety issue and notes that Harrison believes that problem has been fixed. Special Forces pistol discharge not caused by technical failure Great job, this threat needed some levity! Trigger is lighter than the Glock, it took years of aggressive training to reach the point of acceptable discharges with the Glock. All chasing that pot of gold at the end of litigation.. Not that big of a stretch when considering the lawyers beating the bushs for clients to add to the lawsuits, and the fact many of them will lose their jobs if its proven to NOT be the gun, but instead negligence on their part. Companies stay silent DND/CAF is not in a position at this stage in its investigation to offer insight into the potential causes because our investigation scope is broader than the technical aspect pertaining to the unintended discharge of the pistol.. So even if, as the ambulance chaser claims, the striker leg could vibrate off of the sear face, it could not discharge unless the drop safety was also disengaged because the drop safety prevents movement of the striker sufficient to make the firing pin protrude from the breech face. 35446 Views 56 Replies 41 Participants Last post by tirod, Sep 1, 2021. Detective sues Sig Sauer after she says her holstered P320 handgun And have the dropping 320 go off? Too expensive to use their customers as beta testers. Its not happening on your person without some catastrophic event. But then Im not a federal LE flunky who cant keep my booger hook off the bang switch, either. No autographs, No self taken pictures. Additional questions about the Voluntary Upgrade Program are answered in the FAQ. The U.S. manufacturer went a step further in its statement Friday, stating without evidence or attribution, that the timing of the article was intended to undercut its chances in the federal governments upcoming bid to replace all of the handguns in both the military and RCMP. Or you would have to have enough slide play for the slide movement to physically disengage the sear and striker leg mating surfaces. Either the gun is defective or its not. I carry one in my front pocket routinely. These cops seem pretty dang stupid if they put loaded guns in gym bags and purses with other stuff and carry them around, especially a gun that lacks manual safeties. A lot like carrying a cocked and locked 1911 but with the safety off. First, clearing a loaded firearm with a finger over the muzzle doesnt exhibit even cursory adherence to the Four Rules. Another p320 "accidental discharge" - The Armory Life Forum And people have a way of looking for ways to deflect blame for those discharges, especially when they stand to lose their job as a result. -You plan on getting rid of your P320, great! Kyle . Hello perpetrators, Lee Paige is clearly the gift that keeps on giving though our buddy Hunter Biden is a close second! There used to be a problem, which is why Sig fixed it. The 1911 had one added, the FN 1905 had one added in 1906. I cant stand Glocks but SIG P320s are junk. On Nov. 5, 2020, a recently-purchased SIG Sauer P320 pistol went off unexpectedly at a training range in Dwyer Hill, outside of Ottawa. When he opened the drawer the hinges pulled the Charters trigger.
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